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NEWS Copper Creek Villas & Cabins Details, Point Chart & Pricing

Discussion in 'DVC News & General Discussions' started by Russ, Mar 1, 2017.

  1. LauraM

    LauraM Master Member

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    Yes. This is what we'll do. Might add a resale at VWL/BRV since I have DH on board with adding. Will see.
     
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    I do like the lower point structure vs VGF and Poly. I am not a fan of the dues! Wow! Price of lumber and fake rocks must of gone up. And Swamp mitigation!

    Anyway, the pictures aren't blowing me away with theming (not cabins). I thought they would have sprung for cool woody beams on the ceilings or, I don't know. Maybe I have to see it in person. But I get it, mass appeal (and cost).

    Can't wait to see it on my next go around, as I'll definitely be taking the tour!! (Poly did not interest me the last time there. Walked in on a BWV open house instead.)

    ETA: The 3 br has more square footage than my house. WOW. And the cabins sleep 8, but only 2 beds. I can see families now - fighting over a sofa bed, a murphy pull down, and a sleeper chair.
     
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    Update:
    • Members who own at Disney's Copper Creek Villas can begin booking by phone on March 21, 2017.
    • All other Members can start booking online on April 26, 2017.
     
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    I'm sorry if I missed this, but what is the expiration date on the contract? I saw 2062 somewhere which I thought was odd cause they are typically 50 years, right?
     
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    Per the Declarations: January 31, 2068*

    *which means 2066 is the last UY since all 2066 UYs expire by January 2068 (e.g. Dec 2066 UY would expire Nov 30, 2067). 2017-2066 equals 50 UYs; members purchasing prior to the beginning of their 2017 UY should receive 2016 UY points as well, so 51 UYs total. For those receiving 2016 UY points, you will not owe any dues for these points - only prorated 2017 points based on calendar year 2017.
     
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    What about developer points?
     
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    The current incentives don't include them.
     
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    Thanks! Well...maybe we'll do 70 points. Argh!
     
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    I've updated the Current Direct DVC Incentives with all the currently available incentives. For Aulani and Poly there is a One Time Points + Developer Credit Offer -OR- a Developer Credit-Only Offer. For Copper Creek Villas & Cabins, there is only a Developer Credit Offer.
     
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    It's been discussed on other threads, but it's worth noting the Copper Creek Villas Points Chart is identical to Boulder Ridge Villas, making CCV's Points Chart lower than the two most recent DVC Resorts, which both have over 25% higher Point Charts on average when comparing PVB Standard Studios and Bungalows to CCV Studios and Cabins and VGF Standard Villas to CCV Villas (like for like comparison).

    I updated my WDW Point Charts Spreadsheet with Points and Room Descriptions for Copper Creek Villas & Cabins at Wilderness Lodge. The following detailed room descriptions are displayed when you hover over Points for given Resort/Room Type in Excel (or click Points then click Comment balloon icon in Excel Online), which will display the room capacity, beds, kitchen description, washer/dryer, and bathrooms:

    CCV Studios
    • Sleeps 4
    • 1 queen-size bed & 1 queen-size sleeper sofa
    • Kitchenette
    • Full bath with tub/shower or walk-in shower

    CCV 1 Bedroom Villas
    • Sleeps 4 – 5th guest can be accommodated, however NO ADDITIONAL BEDDING, LINENS OR TOWELS WILL BE PROVIDED.
    • 1 king-size bed & 1 queen-size sleeper sofa
    • Full kitchen
    • Washer/dryer
    • Full bathroom with whirlpool tub & walk-in shower

    CCV 2 Bedroom Villas
    • Sleeps 8 – 9th guest can be accommodated, however NO ADDITIONAL BEDDING, LINENS OR TOWELS WILL BE PROVIDED
    • 1 king-size bed, 2 queen-size beds, & 1 queen-size sleeper sofa
    • Full kitchen
    • Washer/dryer
    • 2 full bathrooms – 1 with whirlpool tub and shower, 1 with shower only

    CCV 2 Bedroom Lock-Off
    • Sleeps 8 – 9th guest can be accommodated, however NO ADDITIONAL BEDDING, LINENS OR TOWELS WILL BE PROVIDED
    • 1 king-size bed, 1 queen-size bed, & 2 queen-size sleeper sofas
    • Full kitchen
    • Washer/dryer
    • 2 full bathrooms - 1 with whirlpool tub and shower, 1 with combination tub/shower or walk-in shower

    CCV 3 Bedroom Grand Villas
    • Sleeps up to 12
    • 1 king-size bed, 4 queen-size beds, & 1 queen-size sleeper sofa
    • Fully equipped kitchen
    • Laundry room with washer and dryer
    • 3 bathrooms - 1 with whirlpool tub and shower, 2 with shower only

    CCV Cabin
    • Sleeps up to 8
    • 1 king-size bed, 1 queen-size bed, 1 queen-size sleeper sofa, 1 pull-down bunk-size bed, & 1 sleeper chair
    • 2 bathrooms—one with walk-in shower & bubble-jet tub and the other with walk-in shower
    • Fully equipped kitchen
    • Laundry room with washer & dryer
    • Private deck with hot-tub & double-sided fireplace
     
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    Have you confirmed with Disney which Use Month it will offer points for Copper Creek?

    The Villas at Grand Floridian opened in October 2013. Sales for VGF started in May 2013 and the first Use Month offered by Disney was April 2013. Anyone with a December, February or March Use Year did not get their first annual allocation of VGF points until December 2013, February 2014 or March 2014, which was after the resort had opened.

    With the Polynesian Villas & Bungalows, Disney was far more liberal in offering retro points. The resort opened on April 1, 2015, and the first Use Month offered by Disney was June 2014. April Use Year owners were the "last" UY to receive points, but even they received points for April 2015, the month the resort opened. Essentially, every Use Year owner had access to their points when the resort opened.

    The question I have is how far back will Disney go with offering Use Years at Copper Creek? Will it be more liberal and offer points beginning with August 2016, which assures all owners have CCV points when the resort opens in July 2017? Or will they be more restrictive and only offer points about six months before the scheduled opening, which might mean the first Use Year to get points will be February 2017?
     
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    I'm not aware of an exception to grant Members with February or March UY contracts 2016 UY points retroactively (which isn't what I'm talking about above). I'm simply referring to the fact you always get current UY points when you purchase any DVC resort direct, therefore if you purchase CCV or any DVC resort prior to the beginning of your 2017 UY month (e.g. April or later UYs currently) should receive current UY (2016) points.

    They aren't really giving you anything you aren't already owed, since you are buying the resort in the current UY, therefore are owed points in the current UY. It just so happens the current UY is still 2016 for owners of April or later UYs, so you end up getting an extra UY of points relative to those with a March or earlier UY. This is no different than someone buying a year from now only getting 49 UYs of points instead of 50.

    That said, there is a very real value to purchasing now and getting 2016 UY points vs. waiting until your 2017 UY begins to purchase (direct or resale):
    • Value of the 2016 UY points: $15/pt (conservatively - what you could rent them for or what you would pay to rent or transfer the same points from someone else)
    • Value of the Annual Dues you don't have to pay on 2016 UY points ($7.33/pt) which you otherwise would owe (e.g. if waiting and purchasing resale, since you typically owe fees for any points received)
    • Value of the Annual Dues credit for 2017 UY points: $1.83 (prorated based on calendar year - e.g. 3/12 if purchasing in March)
    • Total Value: $24.16/pt
    If you subtract this value from the cost per point after incentives, this brings the effective cost down to $145/point ($169-$24) for purchases over 150 points or $137 point ($161-$24) for purchases over 200 points. Before someone throws stones at me - yes, I know intangible value and out of pocket costs are two different things, but I think it's still helpful to consider the benefits vs. costs when considering buying now presale versus buying later (resale or direct), because I guarantee you there is someone reading this saying I'll just wait until CCV is available $145/point resale who think that is a much better value than buying it at $169 direct, but isn't taking into consideration they will owe fees on every point they receive and will almost certainly get one less UY worth of points.
     
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    From what I remember, DVD didn't always operate this way. We bought BLT in May or June 2009 and didn't receive 2008 points for our fall UY. BLT opened in August 2009 and we were given our first allotment of points Sept 1, 2009. From what I remember, that was defined as standard practice.

    I believe it was PVB, but it may have been Aulani or VGF where they changed the trend to give the points for UYs prior to the resort opening.
     
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    Thanks for clarifying. I guess my statement above historically only applied after a resort opened, prior to your UY beginning. That said, it was the case for PVB and VGF that current UY points were given prior to the resort opening, so I think it's reasonable to assume this is standard practice at this point. The remaining grey area is whether Feb and March UYs will retroactively be given prior Use Year points as @wdrl2 outlined above was the case to various degrees with VGF and PVB.

    IMO, I think they should just given the "tough sell" of 150 add-on at current prices to receive incentives, along with the steep Annual Dues, so they need to do everything they can to entice existing members to add-on. I'm still scratching my head a little bit on the incentive for existing member to purchase prior to April, since the current incentives are good through May 31, 2017. I think I stumped the guide when I pointed that out ;). He said prices could go up prior to the general availability, but they didn't have anything to disclose at this time (basically, hurry up and buy because prices might go up). I'm not sure if I'm buying it...literally and figuratively :D.
     
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    To Disney's credit, it has always given members advance warning of when prices are going up, or even when incentives are about to go away. If Disney says the current prices and incentives are good through May 31, 2017, I feel confident that is the case.

    What we never know is if there will be another set of incentives after the current set, and whether the new set would be better than the last set.
     
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    However, DVC has only stated the expiration date for the incentives (off the current price). They price is always stated as subject to change without warning. Granted, we usually get rumblings of when it's going to change. That said, the new member offer site is showing $176/point, so I think it's safe to assume they wouldn't be showing that if the price was going to go up in April:

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    I think I have this straight but want to make sure. If you book a studio, how do you know whether you are getting in the old villas building or the part of the lodge that will now be DVC? Is the new DVC in the lodge Copper Creek?
     
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    Correct - CCV is in the lodge, BRV is in the old VWL. Booking Tool will differentiate Boulder Ridge Villas and Copper Creek Villas & Cabins Resorts.
     
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    I just received the following email. It seems that models are ready for viewing.


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    No, I just let Mike know that it is a registration event. You have to register for it and the tour is a 90 minute event. The unfortunate thing is that it is only being offered between 4:00 and 6:30 and we have dinner reservations right in the middle of that time for the two nights it's being offered. It did not make it sound like you could make a separate time for viewing. I'll see what I can check out when we are there.
     
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    Maybe "complimentary appetizers and beverages" in lieu of dinner? :D
     
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    You're a trouble maker! If it was just me and DH I could maybe talk him into it, but with the whole family, that would be a tough sell!


    Edited to say: I do think it is weird timing. Right over the dinner time. :confused2:
     
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    Maybe for drinks and appetizers before dinner? ;)
     
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